Sound Off: Is the Army Ready for Female Rangers?

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Our news team reported yesterday that two women officers are among the 96 candidates who’ve completed the two-month leadership training program at the U.S. Army Ranger School. The yet-to-be-identified West Point alumnae will receive their Ranger tabs on Friday and become the program’s first women graduates.

So, the day has arrived: women have qualified for one of the nation’s elite military units and have qualified by matching the standards required for their male counterparts. Should the U.S. Army allow them to serve as Rangers? Or should the military declare this an experiment that requires further study? Would a woman’s presence in a unit create a distraction at the tip of the spear?

Take our survey below and sound off in the comments!

 

  • Paul Rudn

    yes,yes

    • MLJ

      NO!!!!

    • Allen Davis

      I can remember when we assaulted triangle hill back in 1952. I passed so many people exhausted and just were unable to go any further. Just to think if you were attacking a hill that was 10,000 feet high and there were 100 women in the attack unit, how many would reach the top? Or put it this way; how many troops would be killed because they were unable to continue?
      Sfc Allen Davis (retired ranger(sniper
      )

    • Steve

      Everyone is missing the big picture. Political motives of the left to destroy or culture as we know it. Patriarchy is their enemy and female soldiers put a nail in its coffin. Females in front line combat units have already won their war without fighting. They have killed societies male personna with female as leader. Either they can fight a real war and win is irrelevant. It is about who rules, men or women. We have chosen women.

    • Ralph S.

      If they completed the training successfully then YES they should be awarded their TABS. But remember that was the abbreviated officer course, enlisted RANGER training is much longer and far more intense. Should a woman successfully complete this my answer is the same a responding hell YES Hooaa RANGERS lead the way.

    • wpnexp

      So, obviously 15 year old guys (and some girls I presume) are capable of p***ing Ranger school, many are very athletic and competent. I think it is unfair that we aren’t sending them to Ranger school and putting them directly into the infantry. It’s clear they are able to do this. Why are they excluded? The very same reasons we insist on women going into Ranger School and combat for that matter, could be made for 15 year old children. I think it would be an amazing story of the first child to become a Ranger. Doesn’t anyone see the problem with this? There used to be sound moral reasons why we banned certain groups from combat. We really shouldn’t be looking to see how much of the population we can turn into elite killers.

      Read more: https://undertheradar.military.com/2015/08/sound-o
      Under the Radar

  • Art Mc Donald

    As a navy vet myself I say why not. If they can pass the same tests and drill as everyone else, then that’s it. However as far as I know women are not cleared for combat duty, even though they have been there and done that. I have a young female Army friend who has PTSD just like other soldiers who served in Iraq and Afganistan so that may say it all.

    • Lt Roger Wilco

      PTSD? An excuse for the sick, lame, and lazy to attain unearned extra dispensation. I served in the air and on the ground in Vietnam; I was shot at almost every day–never hit personally though shot down twice–partly due to luck, but mostly due to being smart. Women will get good men killed. They cannot pass the tests that a man is subjected to–unless they take hormones and steroids, they just cannot do it.

      • Rivrat1970

        Ah nuts, another trog has emerged from his infested cave. The underlying anger, common to your malady, is clear. But you’re too macho right. Just another “Patton” in a field clinic.

  • Nance, E.

    Ranger school has nothing to do with being in the Ranger Regiment. They are considered Ranger qualified upon completion but are not Rangers. You do not get into or serve in the regiment just for completing the school, and you do not need to complete the school to be in the regiment. Ranger school is a infantry leadership course. So no, just for completing the school they should not be able to serve in the 75th Ranger Regiment. Same with the men that completed the school.

    • Chris

      Thank you. You’d think Military.com would know the difference. They’d need to complete Rasp first. But, no, no women in the 75th.

      • Nance, E.

        They should know the difference, or at the very least do research, although that is true for all media. Personally I’m happy for these awesome women. They volunteered to go through an extremely tough course and succeded but I am so sick of people saying this makes them Rangers and that they will be put in the 75th Regiment.

    • cclark

      Not being a Army Ranger, if a soldier passes the Ranger Course are they then qualified to be in the Ranger Regiment? I understand not automatically being assigned to the regiment, but they are qualified to be IN the regiment aren’t they?

      • Chris

        No. You must pass Ranger Assessment and Selection (Rasp) first. This is an 8 week course taught by 75th Ranger Regiment cadre. In most cases unless you’re an officer or senior nco, you’ll go to Rasp first, get assigned to 1 of the 3 battalions, deploy a couple of times and then be sent to Ranger School so you can get promoted.

      • Nance, E.

        What Chris said is pretty accurate. There are two RASP courses, one for lower enlisted and one for officers and senior enlisted. Like Chris said the officers and senior enlisted go to Ranger school to get promoted. You don’t need to go there to be in the 75th but it is basically impossible to advance without going to the school at some point.

  • guest

    Gender equality demands that they be given leadership positions within the Ranger Regiment. Military necessity says “NO”. Gender equality will always trump military necessity.

    • BF

      The test will come when they see actual combat and not just “live fire” drills. At this rate it will be soon.

      • Rivrat1970

        Take a Frisco lad and a Wyoming lass. My bet is on the farm gal when the chips fly.

  • dockrick

    since drones will take over the army rangers won’t be needed.so they can have all female if need be..

    • Bandaid6

      that’s stupid. Drones cannot occupy and hold ground.

  • Bulldog

    Women do not belong in the Rangers nor in combat. They should get a life and let men do their duty

    • Gabe

      thats really biased. If the can pass the same exact test and pysical requirements, then they should be accepted. Women can do the same dutys as men.

      • Bulldog

        That’s bull and we all know they just physically cannot. I want to protect them from ever becoming A POW.i have seen how men are treated and it would be worse for women.

      • Bulldog

        That’s Is not true. we all know they just physically cannot be. I want to protect them from ever becoming A POW.i have seen how men are treated and it would be worse for women.

      • Gabe

        Your still being biased. Women dont always want protection. They want to protect themselves. Women can do push-ups, climb walls, scale buildings, jump out of planes, shoot guns, learn CQC. THey know what they signed up for. They’re willing to risk that. It’s not a mans decision to make for women if they want to join or not. And POW Americans haven’t seriousley been an issue since vietnam.

      • Corri

        Thank you Gabe. I am a woman, and one who hates to be protected. I can fight for myself. All women can. We are capable of doing the same things you men can. Sometimes, we are better than you guys. So get it through your rocks of brains that we are just as good as you!

      • SouthBronxcombatvet

        Sorry Corri, but this is a total crock. Our country cannot integrate professional sports and they ultimately want to place women in combat arms jobs? Give me a break! Let’s see a woman playing in the American or National Leagues or NBA or NFL? Why would it be ludicrous? Because I doubt a woman can hit a 95MPH over the fence, dunk a basketball or able to defend against a 250lb linebacker or chase a running back down. I am 220lbs and I would not want to play in the NFL. And yet we want to play with this in regards to war and real lives. We have not had a battle in Iraq or Afghanistan the likes of the Ia Drang, Hamburger Hill, Chosin, Iwo Jima or Normandy. That will be the real test.

        From personal experience as a Former Marine and Soldier that fought in Iraq as an MP (and served twice in Afghanistan), our women were so incapable we kept them on detainee OPS duties. Most reacted poorly to contact and an female NCO (and I remember this well), yelled over the radio for us to return to base we were engaged. They had trouble with crew-served weapons such at the .50 cal and could not operate a MK19 to standard.

        The Marines Corps has been testing women to pass their officer infantry basic course and none have passed yet. I guess they can rest assured that their training is harder than the Rangers. Not one female in their IOBC was able to climb the rope with a full ruck on her back. Google the video.

        Funny, when an audience of women Soldiers were asked if they wanted to go into infantry, ranger/SF, and they all screamed yes. When they were told who was ready to volunteer for this, right now; not one hand when up.

        We need to stop the PC bull because of a couple of few that can pass “training”. A real battle with come in the form of Iran, North Korea, Russia or someone who is not afraid to wear a military uniform and fight us Army to Army. When that happens, we will see what happens to this dumb social experiment.

        My own daughters do not agree with this.

      • SouthBronxcombatvet

        My wife added, lets add boxing to the mix. She wants to see the female champ box the male boxing champ. I pay HBO PPV for that.

      • wpnexp

        Tell me if women really want to be called into service by the government to fight a major war. If women can serve in combat as infantry, they certainly can be drafted, and force to serve in the infantry. Equal protection under the law dictates that if men can be drafted, and women can serve in combat, then they must also be subject to the draft, just like men. Is that the equality you really want? Remember, it could be your daughter they draft. Are you sure she want the right to be forced to go fight a war like World War II?

      • Ronald Benedict

        I get sick of this politically correct bias crap. It is not bias. It’s logic.

    • Corri

      There are a lot of thing I want to say to you right now, but am deciding not to. You are obviously a moron, and a man. You are the one who should get a life. Women are doing what they should, fighting against those bastards who attacked us, just like men. Women can serve and do their duty too, and just as well as men can.

      • wpnexp

        So you are obviously in favor of ensuring all eligible women sign up for the selective service (draft), and all women remotely fit enough for the infantry (they weren’t very picky about which men served in the infantry in Viet Nam as I recall) should be considered for combat just like the men? It’s nice to volunteer for Ranger School, but if woman can be Rangers tab wearers, the government certainly can order them into the military and in combat too. Now sit back and think about how many women really want the government to tell them they have to go fight a war.

    • SouthBronxcombatvet

      I agree. Our country cannot integrate professional sports and they ultimately want to place women in combat arms jobs? Give me a break! Let’s see a woman playing in the American or National Leagues or NBA or NFL? Why would it be ludicrous? Because I doubt a woman can hit a 95MPH fastball over the fence, dunk a basketball or able to defend against a 250lb linebacker or chase a running back down. And yet we want to play with this in regards to war and real lives. We have not had a battle in Iraq or Afghanistan the likes of the Ia Drang, Hamburger Hill, Chosin, Iwo Jima or Normandy. That will be the real test.

      From personal experience as a Former Marine and Soldier that fought in Iraq as an MP (and served twice in Afghanistan), our women were so incapable we kept them on detainee OPS duties. Most reacted poorly to contact and an female NCO (and I remember this well), yelled over the radio for us to return to base we were engaged. They had trouble with crew-served weapons such at the .50 cal and could not operate a MK19 to standard.

      The Marines Corps has been testing women to pass their officer infantry basic course and none have passed yet. I guess they can rest assured that their training is harder than the Rangers. Not one female in their IOBC was able to climb the rope with a full ruck on her back. Google the video.

      Funny, when an audience of women Soldiers were asked if they wanted to go into infantry, ranger/SF, and they all screamed yes. When they were told who was ready to volunteer for this, right now; not one hand when up.

      We need to stop the PC bull because of a couple of few that can pass “training”. A real battle with come in the form of Iran, North Korea, Russia or someone who is not afraid to wear a military uniform and fight us Army to Army. When that happens, we will see what happens to this dumb social experiment.

      My own daughters do not agree with this.

  • CPT Griffith

    I have been a commander in the military, and a paratrooper. I do not have a problem with females in various combat MOS’s as long as they can perform their duties to standard. Likewise, there are plenty of men that cannot perform to standard in many MOS’s. I have known and seen several women outperform men and held themselves to a much higher standard. So I say to other guys–Get Over It. Quit being so shallow and closed minded. There are many other more pressing issues to be concerned with. If you are upset with me being an advocate , then you need to take a look in the mirror and take a step back and “RE-group”

    • BudHall

      Well said Captain!!

    • Col. N

      Cpt Griffin; I am a former combat Marine (Artillery Forward Observe, OJT) on the DMZ in 1968 and 1969. This is the basis for my judgement. Women may be good on the training field. They mauy appear that they can do anything that men can.
      There are many other dynamics associated with combat than an empirical judgement of performance. Women do not belong in combat, period! I dare say Captain. you have never been in real combat, if you had you would not be supporting it, as the penalty for not being good at what you do is “DEATH”. And the last thing we need is to set up a system where it is expected that every woman can perform equally on the battlefield as men. What will happen is the women will be coddled by men and this will make the unit weaker. I hope that when women are put in combat you are the first to lead an infantry company and good luck if you engage in any meaningful combat. GI Jane is a myth.

    • InfantryLew

      I earned the Jump Badge, The Expert Infantrymans badge , The Combat Infantry Badge, and The Purple Heart and I have no problem with QUALIFIED ladies or men being in combat positions.. I concur whole heartedly with CPT Griffith!

      • wpnexp

        A lot of qualified men froze to death at the Chosin. That was due to bad leadership by highly “qualified” leaders. And you are fine with these well qualified women dying like this, as it certainly will happen. Just because it is “honorable” for a man to die in combat, doesn’t it is good or even right. Seems that adding women to these horrors is just a stupid idea.

      • InfantryLew

        By “qualified” I also include “Volunteers”. All the ladies should be volunteers and well QUALIFIED in their MOS!

  • CPT O

    As an ex-Army Ranger, I think it could/would compromise the situation in a combat scenario.

  • Ronald Benedict

    Any nation that sends its daughters into combat when it doesn’t have to is a disgrace.

    • Wtf

      Very well said. Everyone’s getting caught up in the “women are just as tough as men.” Women are not made or built for fighting. Yes, they can be trained, but why? Woman are not equal, they are better. They are sweeter, kinder, they nurture, they bear children, it goes on and on. The lines of decency, morals, humanity, gender, and religion have been compromised and blurred by the guise of political correctness. A woman is a woman, and a man is a man.

      • Leon Suchorski

        Women are not built for fighting? There is only one way for a man to fight with a woman, and that is with his hat. He grabs it and runs.

    • wtpworrier

      Kinda late for that ain’t it?…We been sending women into combat for a long time now, and so have a lot of other countries.

      • budhall

        Yep, sure have!!

    • cclark

      The problem is, the daughters are demanding the right to do so…..

      • guest

        My didn’t and neither are my granddaughters. I think the politicians and activists are demanding it.

  • MM211

    Its great to have women in the armed forces but this is nothing more that PC nonsense.
    They don’t belong in combat positions. I can really explain better but I’m sure my comment(s) would be deleted

    • Wtf

      This is taking it to another level. Ain’t it?

    • Lbeeps

      I’ve been to the Middle East, you talk about combat units. What about combat support units? The enemy does not see the type of units we have….they see the enemy and want to kill us…does not matter male/female they just want to kill us. As Soldiers we have to protect each other.

  • John

    This country is not so desperate as to needing women in combat. It is simply a compliance issue, fairness, equality, and to break down the barrier, that they want. Who ever says it is a mans job, not a womans? I see no reason not to put a few squads of gay men trans sexual rangers with women rangers, on the battle field. Let them see for themselves who was right all along.

    • Leon Suchorski

      Women now out number men on this earth. How else are we going to get the numbers evened up?

  • Dave

    Yes, but………does the Army really have faith in giving women live ammo and putting them in leadership positions whether in control of other women or men or a combination. A person whether male or female who has gone through the leadership building course, learned to lead in near combat conditions should have what it takes to be a knowledgeable leader. But the real question most be laid at the Army’s feet. Q: Do you have enough confidence in the Ranger leadership program to intrust it to anyone with a Ranger school tab? An old saying: “No man recognizes leadership without the test of combat”. Women can be particularlly effective as snipers and infantry foot soldiers and I have no doubt can fight in the company of men. It’s really about P.M.S. putting up with mens shit. If women can manage leadership positions, and can handle the pressure with that position; then by all means welcome qualified members one and all, we need you.

    • Leon Suchorski

      Dave, I think what you are trying to say, is that in the past, men have led by rank and authority, and the willingness to lead. EVEN IF THEY WERE ONLY A CPL., or A CPO. These women will have every male behind them, second guessing their every move in silence, and they know it. This is not a basketball team, or a baseball team that they are leading, these troops are counting on them to make the right decisions to not only get the job done, but to bring them all back ALIVE.

    • Rivrat1970

      You and so many others seem to assume a male is by nature better equipped forthe rigors of combat environment. It’s actually a matter more of environment. I’ll take a Midwest farm girl over most big city smartphone or tablet addicts.

  • James

    They met the challenge and passed, According to the Commanding Officer of the Ranger Bn, they were not given water down version of Ranger School, but faced the same challenge’s of the males, they passed, they earned the honor of wearing the Ranger Tab.

    • Guest 3

      Might want to learn the difference between Ranger Bn and Ranger School.

    • wpnexp

      You believe there were no accommodations made in this endeavor? Why would they need women officer observers? Why did these observers observe all male previous classes if no changes were needed? Do you think the enemy will have women observers there to make sure women in combat will be treated fairly? Why did the women fail the first phase the first time, but sailed through the rest of the course later? You really don’t think the leadership were under pressure to pass a couple women? I am certain they let the best women pass, and they were impressive women to be sure, but that does mean standards weren’t bent.

      Of course, if women didn’t pass, then there might be reason to reconsider putting women in the infantry too. And the politicians are hell bent in ensuring women are sent to the front to die. And they say there is a war on women????

      But really, if it were so natural for women to attend and pass Ranger school why is this even a story? Just being the first is not really a story. One might ask, why were women excluded in the past. I would like to think that keeping women from the horrors of war is actually an honorable thing to do. And saying that women can’t become 4 star generals and admiral unless they are in combat, is really a dumb argument for sending women to war to die.

  • guest

    They will never be placed in the field. They may be in charge of some facet of Ranger School but they will not be placed in a active team.

    • CClark

      With all due respect, you are delusional if you think that there will not be women in the Rangers and very shortly. As far as I know, they have qualified to be in the Regiment so it is going to very hard politically to not let them in. It is irrelevant if it makes it hard for 1 or 2 women with no other female support structure in place to be accepted or if the overall effectiveness of the Rangers could be compromised (it may not be). It is absolutely PC and the Army will be forced to do it….Like it or not.
      The next question is since no female Marine officers have passed the US Marine Corps Infantry Officer’s Course, will the Marines be forced to allow them in the infantry as officers by lowering the physical standards to allow them to pass…..

      • Rivrat1970

        Oh there will be women who pass the test without consideration or lessening of the requirements. By the way, I doubt Chesty Puller could have passed the course.

  • JohnD

    They passed a very tough LEADERSHIP school! They deserve it! In commemoration the whole,class should sew on their tabs with PINK thread like a winter class sewing them winter classes on with white thread!

  • JohnD

    Since when is class and pass censored!

  • JohnD

    Insert completed and group! You guys are real idiots!

  • Lccooper

    Ranger is a title,not a demonstrated ability.I think the women should get a combat infantry assignment before being exalted as ranger qualified.I just don’t see a.pregnant Ranger in hand to hand for their life as well as the outcome of the mission!

    • dave brown

      assignment is censored? really?

  • Ted Hepler

    There are no “do overs” in combat, no multiple tries to qualify. Combat Arms require warriors not social engineering for political points. I doubt that these female candidates have a desire to “close with, kill, or capture” as a career field and as such does nothing more then “lower the standards” for all.

    • Glenn Sarge

      over half of the men that pass have tried one or more times

    • Chuck Pierce

      To date only about 25% of the men who attend the Ranger Course finish on the first try. Most are recycled a phase or even 2 phases.

  • Grant

    The only way this is even an option is if women in combat are held to the same physical standards as men. As a Marine I was a fit 225lbs I’ve seen very few women that could drag my wounded body out harms way in a firefight

    • Kartyr

      I weighed 150 pounds in Vietnam, and as a Ranger (E/75th) I would have had trouble dragging your butt out of the way in a firefight.

    • SGM (Ret)

      At 225 you would have made a great Sand Bag to return fire from :)

  • eddyjames1952

    We are ready for Women as Rangers, Park Rangers that is! Real Army Rangers not so much how ever I would say the say the same about the limp wristed Commander and Chief

  • Bob

    as a four tour combat vet with sf and sog in Vietnam and a ranger grad from 1960 era I say there’s no way these women were not given a pass on some of the training. But that is not the real
    Issue. The real problem won’t show up until it’s too late in a combat situation. Read between the lines

  • SFC John

    No!!! Women selected will be going thru their prime time for child birth. Their biological cycle (cramps & etc) will compromise the time & accuracy of completing the mission.

  • Ranger Russell

    As a Ranger-Qualifed and a Qualified-Ranger NCO – HOOAH to ALL of our newest Rangers – Rangers Lead The Way, Sir/Ma’am!

  • bgthl

    Guys and Gals get over it. If an individual shows they can do the job let them. Let face it guys; we need the women in places like Afgan and Iraq to get the Intel we need. There are other places around the world that women are need for the job to get done. If any of you yahoos study the jobs women did behind the lines during WWII you would keep your trap shut. The key point here is that the standard was kept. They did what they were supposed to do. AND they did it. Ladies Congrat for a job will done. Hope the powers to be will let you show what you can do.

    • Navyjag907

      In WWII they were generally in clerical and other administrative positions. A very few with language skills were sent “behind the lines” and that is appropo of exactly nothing. No standard was met. They simply spoke foreign languages. With so many trying to be politically correct and inclusive like you it confuses the issue.

    • NotBuyingIt02

      Get over being dead because your female Ranger can’t buddy repel a 200lb soldier? I just get to die in place? Gee, thanks. I can get her off that cliff no problem, but she just gets me killed? I”ll be sure to “Get Over It” on the double. Not a problem.

    • wpnexp

      There is no one saying women aren’t needed in the military. And I suspect women behind lines didn’t really have much choice but to help spy or to conduct sabotage. In this political environment you really believe no standards were lowered? The push is to send women to combat. Women dying and getting wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan isn’t enough. The politicians want women to fight and die in combat, to prove a point that women can die just like men can in combat!!! I am sorry if I fail to see how this is a good thing. Don’t you think we should be fighting to keep the fewest number of people in actual combat, instead of sending more.?

  • Glenn

    The question is are these female Rangers ready for anything that might be thrown their way? Only time will tell. Then we’ll know if the experiment worked.

  • wtpworrier

    The Army pretty much got female Rangers now…two of them. Now if you’re asking is the Army ready for Females in a Ranger Battalion?…only time will tell.

  • noneckgrunt

    All,
    Maybe the real question here should be: Is the Army or the USMC ready for females to serve as grunts in just a regular infantry unit, or any other “Combat Arms” MOS? The 75th Ranger regiment is part of the Joint Special Operations Command. My guess is that the people who are asking these questions or bandying around the idea in the media simply because it makes for a good “story” have no idea of what the Rangers or the rest of JSOC does. If they did they would ask the simpler question; should they serve in the Infantry? The JSOC units run the most dangerous and violent of all military operations for any country, anywhere on this planet (that is by the way during peacetime as well as declared wars, war powers actions or peacekeeping missions). Not only do only the very best 11 series soldiers get hand picked for the Ranger Regiment in the first place (usually honor grads from their OSUT school at FT Benning, they must graduate Airborne school, and then make it through RASP the Ranger Assessment and Selection Program (in my day it was called RIP; Ranger Indoctrination Program) which is almost as difficult as Ranger School, all before reporting to their respective Battalions. Then, after usually serving for almost a year in some cases, get the privilege of getting to report to Ranger School. For the NCO’s or Officers that want to serve in the 75th, it is even harder. They also get handed picked and go through a much more arduous vetting process and have already had to prove they were the very best usually in the Army’s elite Divisions like the 82nd or 101st Airborne or possibly up on the DMZ in Korea. Just because you “get tabbed” does not qualify you to serve in the Regiment…period!

    Life in the “Bat” is incredibly grueling, and the standards are the highest in the Army (outside of SF). In other words consistently max the APFT, consistently qualify expert with your weapon (and other weapons), consistently max your skill level SQT. Not just these performance standards were adhered to, discipline standards were also much higher. For example; if a soldier were to drop his weapon in a regular grunt unit, they usually would have to get down with that weapon, lay it across their hands, and knock out how ever many pushups their superior deemed necessary to drive the point home. In Battalion, dropping your weapon was usually and Article 15 offence (office hours or Captains Mast for my Marine buddies). As an Infantry Officer serving in Europe in the late 80’s and Middle east in the early 90’s, I had a few soldiers get “sent” to me from that Battalions because they were a discipline problem (possibly a fight or two or maybe a DUI on post). Despite what had happened to them, and once they got passed their initially depressed state of mind, they were the best performing soldiers in the Platoon/Company and helped my NCO’s and me, raise the bar of performance. Are they ready to adhere to and lead by example in a unit that has the highest standards in any infantry unit, anywhere on this planet? If so then that’s great. But there are more tests and more vetting than Ranger School that needs to be done before asking this questions.

    Ranger’s Lead The Way,
    No-Neck-Grunt

  • noneckgrunt

    All,

    I had to split my “comment” up. They told me it was too long. Sorry for the pontification, but this is a subject that needs to be discussed by people far more qualified and smarter than me, but I’m also not the type that holds back.

    Again, let’s ask the right questions here. I am a firm believer in equal opportunity. If you can do the job, then do the job. A very good officer who mentored me and several other young enlisted soldiers who were prospective candidates for OCS told us; “When in charge, be in charge.” “Take care of your men at all costs, and they will take care of you”. “Be selfless, always listen to your NCO’s and put your men’s needs before your own.” Are the newly “tabbed” young officers ready for that? I say Officer here because they are West Point grads). Because when I went through that hell myself, I tried to live to those standards and beyond. Are they ready to put the euphoric of Friday’s graduation at Victory pond feeling of the newly acquired tab aside and follow as well as lead? Are they ready to not let their egos get in the way and do (what I considered the most important advice I got; LISTEN TO YOUR NCO’s?

    My other question (and this is personal) is; why don’t we celebrate all the graduates of that school more often? And, how about anyone who walks under that arch in Harmony Church that reads “Not for the weak or faint of heart” who is form a foreign country, a SEAL, a Recon Marine, a USAF PJ or anyone who has to go, but has a marked disadvantage because they do not bring the institutional knowledge that a PFC or a SP4 from the Battalion brings? Even though I was a prior service EM, and an 11B, when I went as a 2LT, I was 6’4″ and 227 LBS (the best shape of my life and I was former D1 college football player with single digit body fat at that time) . Yes, I also the biggest guy there on day 1. When it was time to pick buddies I was pared with a Recon Marine, because we figured, nobody wanted the extra attention we were going to get form the RI’s. He and I figured; what the F*** were in it together. My body and his (he was about 5’10” but also well over 200 and a bodybuilder type) used up more calories than our peers for sure and splitting 3 MRE’s a day between us was without a doubt the toughest part. In other words our bodies used more than a 130lb “person” on day 1. I therefore think (and know) that the women there had a marked “advantage” over my Marine buddy and me. By the time I was done with the desert phase, (yes there used to be a desert phase in Dugway Proving grounds and they also had it at FT Bliss for a time). I was down to 166 lbs. I was very malnourished and had cellulitis and only God knows what else it did to me. I didn’t see my original Marine buddy after Dahlonegah (he got hurt and “cycled”) but, I’m sure he must have had even a greater % weight loss due to being more muscular. I’m not “sniveling” here and I didn’t then, but that depravation both caloric and sleep (according to doctors is more difficult than what sex you are. You can’t deny biology). What was the weight of these two student’s before and after, I wonder? Were they used to a low calorie diet in the first place and having to share 3 MRE’s between each person was (possibly) not that far of a stretch? I know I was already starving in Darby.

    My whole point is; let’s not get caught up in the hype. And, if we are truly going to raise this question, then ask the litany of “right” questions ahead of time. To the two women who will get tabbed on Friday; congrats!

    Ranger’s Lead The Way,
    No-Neck-Grunt

  • USN Retired

    Bravo Zulu! As a sailor that served with an IBCT I learned the Ranger Tab is a leadership course combat unit leaders should complete. Not everyone can lead in combat, these new graduates have proven they have what it takes. It is about leadership and learning through mistakes.

  • F,B

    Have served in combat and witnessed first hand, females in action. If Jane can pass the requirements set forth then Jane should be aloud to do those new jobs allotted! She’s a sister in arms, no different than a brother!! Suck It Up!!

  • PATRICK HUGHES

    I don’t want anything to do with a creature that goes chemically insane once a month; No judgment; No self control; Anger; unpredictable reactions…………Get real People! Biology is Biology!

  • bbabbitt

    If I wanted to be snarky about it I would say, why not? Even Ranger missions needs someone to do the cooking and laundry.

    The fact is, though, these two women proved themselves during the same training ordeal right alongside the men. They earned the Ranger Tab. To denigrate their effort only diminishes the value of the Ranger Tab that those men earned. As things now stand, these women will never be assigned to a combat infantry position. The comradery of Rangers in combat will never be tested with these women in a combat situation.

  • SFC Will

    History will tell when they start sending these women rangers in body bags and they find that they got raped.

  • Colbert

    No, they are not physically built for the punishment on their bodies…I do believe in equality for everyone.

  • howardl

    Gays.Lesbians, Transgenders, are allowed in the military why not give straight women a crack (no pun intended) in cobat roles. I don’t have to fight with them,. Retired E7

  • howardl

    Should have said COMBAT roles

  • SFC Will

    Remember Black Hawk Down: Somalia, Mogadishu in 1992-93? when the skinnies got those Delta sniper guys and the violated and burned their bodies and that was just a humanitarian mission.

  • USAF/USNBILL

    I served as USAF CCT next to 2nd BN/75th INF (RGR) from Jan 79 to Oct 81. I DO NOT see these women holding up their end of the deal for an extended period. A nod to the two women who made it, though this is nothing but PC and you KNOW they were given passes and the easiest problems. As for being in a Ranger Regiment as a serving Ranger, we’ll see how that goes. Meanwhile, we compromise our finest assault units in the name of political correctness. Disgraceful.

  • guest

    The real question is: does the Army have a choice in the matter?

  • Cynical Male

    TIme for women to be required to register for Selective Service. They need to help fill out the non-elite positions too. Everyone can be cannon fodder when needed.

  • William

    Directive from Obama — I will attend the Ranger Graduation and will expect to see females represented in the graduation class.

  • Jim

    I believe that because the POTUS, and other like minded people wanted these gals to suceed the standards were compromised in one way or another. It is one thing to get through a simulated course. But the reality of humping hills over in Afganistan with a full combat load day after mind and body numbing day is a different reality. I do not believe they are capable of doing that. They mightbe able to hack it for awhile, but will eventually break down mentally, and physically. Men are just built differently with more body strength. This is not a putdown of women, it is just the way they were created. Semper Fi

    • guest

      The services will just have to work around physical differences between the sexes. It has been mandated that combat jobs will be open to women and that they are equal to men. All the services can do is salute and say yes sir, or resign their commissions.

  • NotBuyingIt02

    Which one of your female Rangers is going to buddy repel a 200lb male Ranger off a cliff? She won’t be able to do it. Been there, done that and I was smoking down that cliff with a 200lb soldier on my back. How many soldiers are going to get killed just because your female Rangers are politically correct?

  • Former ABN Grunt

    I’m not too good at this, but here goes. I think everybody should just calm down! Two, count ’em, TWO women completed Ranger School! Good for them. Yes, I know, it’s only the beginning of women POSSIBLY being sent to combat units. Yes, there will probably be some women sent to combat units as an experiment and if & when they come home in body bags, well, I think we know what will happen. None of us wants to see our daughter & sisters violated as well as being killed, so hopefully it will not happen. Personally, I worship the ground women walk on but sending them into combat will be a big mistake, exception being some SF missions, just like the Israeli’s do. Let’s just make sure we keep Hillary out of the White House! Hope I made some sense.

  • Old timer

    They will get men killed trying to protect them. Now if they can be in the combat arms they can be drafted. Wait till Mommy and Daddy hear that their little girl is drafted.

    • guest

      It may get men and women killed, but the men and women being killed will not be from the political elite class that has required that women be in combat.

  • Monga-dai

    1. Capt female is MP, not organic to Rangers
    2. Lt Female is Aviation, not organic to Rangers
    3. allowing females to serve in the Rangers you would DOUBLE the logistics to supply male and female equipment and replacement clothing and gender specific supplies.
    4.mandatory birth control/temp sterilization while assigned to Rangers to stop non-deployability status and troop loss
    and for those that have not served in the Rangers ” The Tab is a school but the Scroll is a way of life ”

  • R. Clark

    It has yet to be explained how “all” these “social and politically correct changes” add to the combat effectiveness of the U.S. Military. ISIS must be thanking “ALLAH” for an enemy that is more concerned about a gender neutral society than it is about it’s ability to confront and kill them.

  • catahoulagill

    On every skills job there are those that pass classes and complete training.
    That does not make them all capable of taking on the job.
    The question that needs to be asked of all those trained is not if the Army is ready for them to be Army Rangers. It should be asked whether they are ready and able to do the job as Army Rangers. If not, move on to something else. The acquired skills can be an asset for other positions as well.
    As an example, lots of people may be able to drive a tractor/trailer rig after taking classes and training. Taking it out on the road regularly day after day might not be something they are cut out for.

  • JohnD

    The Ranger tab is a mark of leadership not of SPECOPS training. The Ranger Regiment’s standards, training and mission far exceeds the Ranger School. The tab is a qualifier for light infantry leadership positions but few of those jobs are open to women yet! They really want to play according to,the mens standards great! Get rid of separate PT tests, and include women in the draft and your on the right path to,equality! A 240 mg weighs the same for. Woman or a man so why does she have to do less push ups?,i had a bn cdr in an engineer unit, couldn’t get a command in the 101st due to,no tab. A LT female,in the unit had a Sapper tab! Lots of jealousy but tough go,get,a tab!

  • George

    Iam embarrassed & insulted that the Army that I have know & loved for almost 33 years is now allowing females in the Rangers, & also considering allowing them in real live combat actions with the 75Th Ranger Regiment, How insulting & degrading to the finest US Military leadership school the Army or Marine Corps has, yes I said the Marine Corps also. Don’t know what is around the corner now?. This is not some PC science experiment like the Bruce Jenner bull is, this is the Real McCoy. Females don’t have what it takes to be a leader in combat, people are going to die due to lack of intestinal fortitude or maximum bravery to go into combat with men.

  • Ret CSM Ranger

    Iam embarrassed & insulted that the Army that I have know & loved for almost 33 years is now allowing females in the Rangers, & also considering allowing them in real live combat actions with the 75Th Ranger Regiment, How insulting & degrading to the finest US Military leadership school the Army or Marine Corps has, yes I said the Marine Corps also. Don’t know what is around the corner now?. This is not some PC science experiment like the Bruce Jenner BS is, this is the Real McCoy. Females don’t have what it takes to be a leader in combat, people are going to die due to lack of intestinal fortitude or maximum bravery to go into combat with men.

    • USN Retired

      33 years in the Army and you feel women have no right to attend a combat leadership school? I have served alongside the Army and have met some pretty horrible leaders while I was there. Your response directly reflects what is wrong with today’s military. Opening those leadership schools to all that possess the heart should be normal operating procedure, regardless of sex.
      I am surprised at such a senior enlisted leader’s thoughts about women serving. I guess it’s a good thing you are retired!

  • Andy

    Women in combat or Rangers is all well and good if they would have passed the course without the standards being obliterated so they can pass. And, yes I have it on extremely good authority that the standards were lowered for these two ring knockers.

  • Ted Tucker

    Has long as they are hot I say bring it on

  • mike

    So two out of 96 passed ranger school I doubt that will have any kind of impact on the actual guys that go on a mission, they will never be assigned to it It’s just Washington politicians , Hey look what I did. Well at least they got something accomplished for a change.

  • Ol’ Blue Eyes

    What would happen if a female Ranger were pregnant or in menstruation? What would happen if she were captured, raped, tortured, etc? She would command a huge ransom payment for the captors! She is very welcome to sport the Ranger tab but should NOT be in a front-line combat unit.

    Life member, DAV and VFW–69-year-old, two-tour Vietnam veteran and SOG member. I’m also a long-time DAV volunteer driver and former Pershing Rifleman and IDR member–a long time ago!

  • Supertex

    The real question should be……….Is America ready to see the first female Ranger beheading ? Is America ready to see these women in front line units getting gang raped ? Because our enemies, will be ACTIVELY be looking for US Women. ? The clock work has be set, and these things are going to happen, it’s just a matter of time now.

  • Edward

    I have no problem with females attending/graduating Ranger school (although each female student is filling a male slot). I do, however, firmly believe they should never be assigned to a Ranger unit or sent into combat. As Huckabee said recently, the military is no place for social experiments. The military is for war and killing. Period!

  • armyairborne72

    This has gone far enough, if or when they ever get captured it does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what is going to happen to them in capitivity. It is going to be a living hell, when daughters start showing up in body bags maybe someone will come to their senses. It is bad enough having sons show up dead, I had the opportunity to be in a honor guard unit for military funerals for the dead from Vietnam and vets. It was a sobering experience. Sometimes the harshest lessons need to be learned the hard way.

  • LRRPFoster

    Sad that the Army can’t follow the path of the USMC. No woman was allowed into their Leadership school in Virginia. As soon as the PC’s let them in the 75th and SF, the standards will begin to fall, just like they have in the Jump School. Slowest people up front!

  • grunt

    I don’t care what all of you may say I think it is great!!! human nature is human nature dumb dumbs and somebody will be getting some good stuff down range. it’s gonna happen we all know it so here is to the dog faces the dirt pounders the guys who hump 95lbs packs till you drop day and night. The ones who don’t know what a showers is or a toilet! here is to you my brothers and SISTERS enjoy and keep being hard core grunts!!!!! big deal lets move on!!!! ROCK STEADY!!!!! 1/19inf

  • James Welch

    The Israelis have all female combat units and they do outstanding work. Time for us to accept those who qualify to do any job they want. I don’t understand why so many men feel threatened by them. Perhaps they are afraid they can’t contain their urges? Ability and will are the only requirements.

    • Daverakk187

      They have a Battalion that is is 70% female and Guards the Peaceful border with Jordan. They haven’t used Women in Combat in decades.

  • marine viet nam vet

    I was in Vietnam 1968-1869 and was in the bush 85% of the time. I know times are much different now but in the bush & in combat there were times when you did everything in front of everybody no privatecy what so ever.lots of jungle rot lots of torn off cloths from whatever.I almost died with malaria but there were no medevac unless you wounded .There is so much more about combat that most people can’t imagine. Women may think they want that but I can pretty much say for a fact they don’t. Been 40 + years and I still have problems.

    hot

  • Chuck Pierce

    This has nothing to do with women serving in combat units a infantry, armor, etc. It does show that the army needs to look hard at the separate physical standards set for males and females. I am a Ranger Course graduate but would never have been permitted to serve in the Regiment, not because I was not qualified but because I was commissioned as an armor officer. From all I have read these ladies did everything that the men did during the course, I congratulate them and welcome them as Ranger Qualified People.

  • joe

    I’ve served with women. I was in the cavalry. They pretty much were in the same crappy situations I was. I’ve seen men wuss out and fall out. I assume the same percentage of women would too.
    I just want whoever is going to do the best job beside me to help save lives and not get me killed… Man or Woman :)

  • JohnD

    If they can pass the established standards so be it! Ranger School isn’t permission to join the infantry, it is a leadership school like ANOC or OBC. Women are in combat, have done well, died, been wounded and decorated! So they don’t have a CIB, they have CABs and CMBs! Let them be drafted like the men and take the same PT test and then you will have the start of true equality!

  • KenLand

    I doubt we will see a significant number with Ranger tabs on. The crux of the matter is how they will fit in other combat MOS’s.

  • Winney

    No way, leave the RANGER’S to men only.

  • james holland

    i say no ,all you going to do is get people killed! i worked with women in copper plant be cause the gov. made them hire and we had to work twice as hard, so the girls not hurt them self. men will not let a woman get hurt ,idont care what they say it will not work!

  • artyopschief

    Hmmm… Well I would welcome females into all jobs within the military to include special forces. The problem that I have in doing it is that we will still violate the law. By allowing women to compete we are saying that the majority of all women should be able to make it in any MOS when that might not be true. If females are not successful at a rate of at least 80% of men then we will be demonstrating a disparate impact on a protected class under Title VII of the law. The only way to avoid that may be to lower the standard and this is where I start to take issue.

  • Rivrat1970

    Women have been in combat, and come home in body bags. This isn’t new. Women have performed well, even better than some men but all performed wrll.

    Want a real up close and personal, read the supporting docs which described the USS Cole bombing and the heroics of the crew–men and women– to save the ship. The scene makes most ground combat look tame in comparison.

  • wpnexp

    So, obviously 15 year old guys (and some girls I presume) are capable of passing Ranger school, many are very athletic and competent. I think it is unfair that we aren’t sending them to Ranger school and putting them directly into the infantry. It’s clear they are able to do this. Why are they excluded? The very same reasons we insist on women going into Ranger School and combat for that matter, could be made for 15 year old children. I think it would be an amazing story of the first child to become a Ranger. Doesn’t anyone see the problem with this? There used to be sound moral reasons why we banned certain groups from combat. We really shouldn’t be looking to see how much of the population we can turn into elite killers.